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Subject:Geeking it out: A rant by Amy
Time:01:29 am
Current Mood:geektastic
Just saw 2 new, KICK-ASS episodes of Justice League Unlimited. The summaries are below.

Episode #27 - We Are Legion
Original Airdate - September 17th 2005 - Season Premiere

Lex Luthor escapes from a maximum security prison, only to be invited to join Grodd's unstoppable Legion of Doom.

Episode #28 - Shadow of the Hawk
Original Airdate - September 17th 2005

Batman is suspicious of Shayera's new boyfriend, a mysterious archeologist with sinister ties to her Thanagarian past.

I liked both a lot, but especially "Shadow of the Hawk". This one really hits home on the major problem with comic-to-television conversions and mixing series together: staying true to character identity. An example I'd like to bring up is the relationship between Shayera Hol and Green Lantern John Stewart in the animated Justice League series and how it translates form the comics. In tonight's episode, they finally brought in Hawkman, who was one of the founding members of the Justice League. When you do an animated television series based on a comic book series, you run into technical and chronological difficulties. Due to the issues of a television series budget, you are severely limited in the amount of character you can use from a comic book series. You never know when your show will get cut, so you need reliable and appealing characters. With the first two seasons of Justice League, they used Hawkgirl for another female character on the team and John Stewart (Green Lantern 3 or 4 I think) for a minority character. There was caution around including some characters from the DC Universe due to their connections with other characters. For example, Hawkman is the natural complement to Hawkgirl. However, the inclusion of Hawkman will seriously fuck up the animated series continuum. If we add Hawkman permanently to the animated series, the future son of Green Latern John Stewart and Hawkgirl Shayera Hol, Warhawk, will disappear from that timeline. Hawkman and Hawkwoman are married and... produce children I think. Unsure on that though. So unless Hawkman dies in a freakishly horrible accident, bye bye Warhawk. Also, anyone remember Katma Tui? The Green Lantern in the animated series that re-trained John Stewart? She was his wife in the comic book series. The fact is, I love Hawk Girl with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. She's fierce, bold, proud, and super awesome to the maximum extent. However, from what I understand, they added all the forms of Hawkgirl together for the sake of character simplicity. Many comic book fans would scream against this as an outrage, but I can understand from a business leve

In a perfect world, animated series would be comic book series that move and never get canceled, just had the writers changed when the previous one gets writer's block. However, that is not something we can do with an animated series. Budgets, deadlines, the possibilty of cancelation: all you can do is make the best show you can that appeals and will hopefully stay long enough for you to arrange it around so it stays true to comic quality in the end. But when you live from season to season, that's incredibly hard. If you want a stable audience, you need to make a more or less simple cast. Over complicaton of the plotline will confuse your audience and drive them away. Television audiences and comic book readers are different by nature. Readers are literate and process details while television watchers simply have to watch. As one who falls into both of these categories, I can understand both opinions from such groups. Especially depending on the network you're working with. If Justice League were on say, Sci-Fi Channel, it could be as complicated as the original animated series. However, Justice League is on Cartoon Network, a rather ideal place because of it's friendly nature with DC animated series past. The main and hulking problem with Cartoon Network is that the primary audience is not that of devoted comic book readers but adolescents and younger age groups. Over-complication of plot and characters could drive this audience away.

As John Stewart put it (more or less) to Shayera/Hawkgirl's date with Carter Hall/Hawkman; "This shouldn't be happening. We traveled to the future, we met my son. Shayera and mine's son, our son. This shouldn't be happening." To which Batman replies, "Then why are you still with Vixen?" There is a reason why most animated series fail. Comic fans get pissed and make a lot of ruckus on how the TV series is nothing like the comic books. To those people, I say this: I love comic books and the television series both, but as DIFFERENT ENTITIES. The processes of producing these creative mediums are completely different, and thus produce different products. And to be honest?

I really like Shayera Hol and John Stewart as a couple. If it wasn't for the Justice League animated series, this great pairing would never have happened.

Have a nice evening everyone.

This is amazing and so not my account or scan: Clack Canaray and huntress mocking Batman ---> http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/1320/074029hd.jpg
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digitalruki
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Time:2005-09-18 05:24 pm (UTC)
oh. my. god. I love JLU to an unhealthy degree. it's just so fricking awesome.

its entirely possible shayera just sleeps with both guys. She's obviously confused about her feelings. AND she's already slept with the Hawkman, definately. They even talked about sleeping together in the episode. I was flabbergasted.

And, BTW, if Hawkman is supposed to be human with confused memories, how does JU explain those feathery things GROWING OUT OF HIS BACK. wtf. hawkgirl was like. You're human. And i'm like. WINGS.

anyway, i was thoroughly amused by the flirtation going on in the first ep between flash and the green chick. except flash is with green lantern, but whatever. Flash is just cute.
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greatteachlargo
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Time:2005-09-21 01:51 am (UTC)
He's not supposed to be human! He's a thanagarian who beleives that he and Hawkgirl are re-incarnated lovers! That's what the confused memories were about! [/what I already said in school]
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digitalruki
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Time:2005-09-18 05:26 pm (UTC)
oh, and i love that scan. canary is the shiz.
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greatteachlargo
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Time:2005-09-21 01:56 am (UTC)
I think that it also has to do with Creative license. I mean, its easy enough, in theory, to make film and tv carbon copies of their print counterparts. But really, who would want to do that? Take it from a personal standpoint, if you were making a series based (keyword based) on a comic book, you wouldn't want it to be exactly the same. You would want to add your own creative vision to the series, your own interpretation of what should happen, even if the comic books say otherwise. [/just a thought]
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greatteachlargo
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Time:2005-09-21 01:58 am (UTC)
XD omg, that scan is f@#$ing awesome!
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greatteachlargo
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Time:2005-09-21 01:59 am (UTC)
we SERIOUSLY need more members. This would be a lot cooler if we had more members....
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